Raw photos converted to jpeg with free photo scape.  glad I saved the unadulterated  ones.  Seems to lose a little but at least I could work with them with my old Elements 3.  I think it was about 10 degrees when I took these.  I saw the results when a friend edited them with his new lightroom 2 and there is a HUGE difference.  I would love to talk him into pronting them up as he just bought the new epson artisan 800.  My old HP just doenst give the right color mix anymore.  But that is what the online services like shutterfly is for!.  Think I may upload 1 or 2 of these to see what they look like on the large scale.